And so, you tell everybody this precision breeding method, these GMO's, they're dangerous.  And with the oldest political trick in the game, they say We will protect you!  Vote for us!  We will protect you.  We will protect you from these dangers.  And in this way Greenpeace and the Green parties in general not only made a lot of money on fundraising schemes, they also got political power and that is still evident today, if you look around in Europe the Green parties have a great deal of power and this all came because of their anti-GMO campaign.  So you can see why Greenpeace are not so keen to say well actually, GMO's are okay, even though they claim to be scientists they must know the science ... they simply lie about it and they won't discuss it.  I've been trying to meet with the leaders of Greenpeace to talk with them about this because I have the perfect excuse that they can use for coming out in favor of GM foods and that is that, well, we were right all along.  We asked for experiments to be done, the experiments have been done, they are clearly shown to be safe.  Now we're pro-GMO foods and now we will get on and do all the good stuff that we've been doing in other spheres.  They won't do that, they won't even talk to me.  And of course what happens to Europe, quickly soon spreads.  And so they couldn't make the argument, well these things are dangerous in Europe, you know Europeans really can't take these things.  But for the developing countries, they're okay.  So what do they do?