Re-visioning Our History: An Interview with Michelle Cliff -- Part 2 Jim
Clawson
You were born in Jamaica, and moved when?
A couple of times. I went back to school there when I was ten.
Was
traveling back and forth difficult?
I
don't think so. It was interesting. My parents were very mobile. I think it’s
very enriching to live that way as a writer. It wasn’t like just living in the
United States as an immigrant. Having a consistent experience with my native
land throughout my childhood as well as my adopted country, the country that had
been adopted for me, was empowering because I was in connection with my native
land; I didn't have to be born again as an American. How do you negotiate between what the reader might
perceive as autobiography in your fiction? I
can't, I can't. But there's a terrible tendency to read almost everything as
autobiography. Today
in particular? Yeah,
today, because of memoir and all that. Obviously I use my life, but it’s not
autobiographical at all. Harry Harriet, who's a transsexual in the novel No
Telephone to Heaven -- he's not
really a transsexual in the sense of having two sexes -- is much closer to who I
am. Not in a sexual sense, but in his work on himself to be a complete human
being, taking in everything of who he is, reflects much more my own struggle
than Clare's who is a fragmented person, or Christopher who is also fragmented. The
last line of my first novel Abeng. It
may sound a little jejune now, but I still believe it. It ends by the narrator
saying that everyone we dream about we are, and in a sense, when you create
characters these are the people you dream about; they are you, you are them.
They're coming out of your unconscious, and you’re responsible for them.
You're responsible to make them, you know, characters, and to maintain a kind of
integrity about them, and so in that sense you're everyone in your fiction, but
that's different than writing an autobiographical character. So, in regards to what you mentioned about the
prisons, it's being a person that allows you write about other people. To
be a decent writer, you have to be able to approach people with compassion on
the deepest possible level and cast yourself into their lives. You have said, "Love demands
accountability" in reference to your love of the United States . . . Where
did I say that? In “Fiction as History, History as Fiction.” Jesus!
Yes, this country is endlessly fascinating to me. I find it absolutely
interesting, fascinating, heartbreaking, and beautiful. Everything at the same
time. When
you say accountability, is that a historical accountability? No,
I think what I was trying to say there was that if I'm going to be in this
country, and stay in this country, I have to be accountable. Personally
accountable? Yes,
that means loving it and being able to criticize as well -- being a social
critic, a political critic, whatever. Copyright 2002, Jim Clawson nidus is an online publication
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